Interview w/ Jason Kelly, Owner of CrossFit Broadway – Episode 28: PaleOMG Uncensored Podcast

I’m switching it up this week, interviewing someone who is NOT a woman or a blogger! Instead, I’m chatting with my friend Jason Kelly who is the owner of my CrossFit gym, CrossFit Broadway. I’ve known Jason for 6 years now and he truly is the best coach that I’ve ever met and he runs an outstanding CrossFit gym. Because of that gym, I have met some of my closest friends and hope that continues for many more years to come. I decided to have Jason on mostly because he has a weird accent, but also because he brings some perspective into what running a CrossFit gym (or just your own business) really looks like. Jason runs an awesome business and at the end of the day, it’s awesome because he is so truly and completely passionate about it. If you take one thing from this podcast, it should be to tackle your passions and find what really drives you, because if you find that, you’ll never work a day in your life. And I hate being that annoying person saying that cliche bullsh*t, but it’s true!

Check out CrossFit Broadway if you are ever in the Denver or Colorado area!

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Episode 28 Transcription:

This is Juli Bauer from PaleOMG and you are listening to PaleOMG Uncensored.

Juli Bauer: Welcome to the PaleOMG Uncensored podcast. Don’t forget that this podcast is rated E for explicit, because there will be cuss words; mostly because I’m sitting next to a Kiwi. And you know, down south or wherever the hell New Zealand is, they like to curse a lot. So this will be a quite lovely podcast.

Today, I have a lovely special guest. And it may sound weird, because we’re recording in my CrossFit gym. It’s a little janky; but you know, you’ve got to do what you’ve got to do with this portable mike. So today I have this special guest; it’s the owner of my CrossFit gym that I have known for the past 6 years. I strolled into CrossFit Broadway about 6 years ago, and asked if he wanted to workout at some point. And he was blown away by my charismatic behavior and personality, obviously, and then he pretty much really needed a coach, so he hired me. And I’ve been a coach for the past 6 years. And you know, I thought we were best friends, but then he didn’t come to my wedding in Jamaica; but that’s beside the point. We’ll get into that another time.

Jason Kelly: {laughing}

Juli Bauer: So welcome, Jason Kelly.

Jason Kelly: Thanks Juli. Thanks for having me. This is an honor, and I was very surprised that you asked me to be on here and obviously you are very short handed.

Juli Bauer: {laughing} Here’s the question; do you even know what a podcast is?

Jason Kelly: {sigh} I think so.

Juli Bauer: {laughs}

Jason Kelly: But I’m not really too sure.

Juli Bauer: Have you ever listened to a podcast?

Jason Kelly: Never.

Juli Bauer: Do you know where to find a podcast?

Jason Kelly: Um.

Juli Bauer: It’s on your phone under podcasts.

Jason Kelly: {laughing}

Juli Bauer: So it’s pretty damn simple.

Jason Kelly: That’s a good answer. I’m going to say that you go to the iTunes store?

Juli Bauer: yeah. But it says, there’s a podcast app already downloaded onto your phone.

Jason Kelly: Oh. I might have to check this out. I might have to listen to this one.

Juli Bauer: {laughs} You totally will. You will love it. So thanks for being on today.

Jason Kelly: No problem.

Juli Bauer: I’m not shorthanded; you are one of my favorite people. It’s rare to like people for more than 6 years, in my life, so that’s very special. So I wanted to have you on today because I have lots of crossfitters; lots of females, so a male is just going to be very exciting. And, I know I have lots of people who have thought about being an entrepreneur, or starting a business; even starting a CrossFit gym. So I thought you’d be perfect.

Jason Kelly: Right.

Juli Bauer: So, before we get into anything; before you tell your life story; here’s the real question that I ask every single one of my guests. {laughs}

Jason Kelly: {laughs}

Juli Bauer: Do you watch The Bachelor.

Jason Kelly: You know, when it first started, I used to; I watched it.

Juli Bauer: Like 40 years ago.

Jason Kelly: But it’s been like 17 years, right?

Juli Bauer: ` {laughing}

Jason Kelly: So maybe the first 3 or 4 seasons, and then I took a massive hiatus, and I actually picked it up again this year.

Juli Bauer: Do you watch it by yourself?

Jason Kelly: It’s hard to watch by yourself.

Juli Bauer: {laughs} Yeah. It is.

Jason Kelly: It’s really, really hard to watch by yourself. But yeah, every now and then I’ll catch myself; what was that guy’s name this year?

Juli Bauer: Nick.

Jason Kelly: Nick’s gay, right?

Juli Bauer: Nick’s gay? {laughing} I mean, he’s on Dancing with the Stars right now.

Jason Kelly: I think that, obviously nothing wrong with that, but I think that Nick is actually gay. I think that’s why he hasn’t been able to find anybody, is that he’s actually looking at the wrong gender.

Juli Bauer: F*ck. Sh*t.

Jason Kelly: This never crossed your mind?

Juli Bauer: No!

Jason Kelly: He’s absolutely gay. If you rewatch some of those episodes, and think, “I’m watching a gay man,” you’ll be like; Oh, yep. Yep, I agree.

Juli Bauer: Damn. We need to ask some of the gays in here, in our gym.

Jason Kelly: Yep. Yeah, I think he is, absolutely.

Juli Bauer: Tyler and Alejandro.

Jason Kelly: I’m going to make a prediction that within the next year, US Weekly will have an extravaganza; Nick is gay.

Juli Bauer: Interesting.
Jason Kelly: Yeah.

Juli Bauer: That’s funny you say that; because you also made a bet that I would be pregnant by Thanksgiving.

Jason Kelly: {laughing}

Juli Bauer: {laughs} So I don’t know if your predictions are quite on.

Jason Kelly: Nostradamus, Juli.

Juli Bauer: {laughs}

Jason Kelly: Nostradamus.

Juli Bauer: Ok. Well, you know what; you are the first guest that I’ve had on that watched The Bachelor.

Jason Kelly: Really!

Juli Bauer: So, I …

Jason Kelly: And I’m the only dude.

Juli Bauer: {laughs} You’re the only dude, and you’re watching The Bachelor.

Jason Kelly: {laughing}

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Juli Bauer: I respect you so much more than I used to. So let’s get into a little bit about you; because obviously people can’t understand anything you’re saying right now.

Jason Kelly: Yes.

Juli Bauer: So you’re not exactly an American. I’m not sure you’re even a citizen.

Jason Kelly: Well, I’m not a citizen, but don’t tell anyone.

Juli Bauer: {laughs}

Jason Kelly: You know, there’s a massive value in having an accent, because you can get away with talking so much sh*t.

Juli Bauer: So much.

Jason Kelly: Right? Because you have an accent, you can say basically whatever you like.

Juli Bauer: Yeah, and the person doesn’t know if you hate them or really like them.

Jason Kelly: Yeah, they don’t know; they’re not sure if you’re joking or if you’re serious, and I really take advantage of that fact.

Juli Bauer: And that’s why you’re such a good gym owner. Because never know if you love them or hate them.

Jason Kelly: Right. Keep them on their toes.

Juli Bauer: Yep. So you’re obviously from New Zealand.

Jason Kelly: Mm-hmm.

Juli Bauer: So how long were you in New Zealand for?

Jason Kelly: Well I was born there.

Juli Bauer: Ok. {laughs}

Jason Kelly: And then, I moved to America when I was; what was I, I was 22.

Juli Bauer: Ok wait. Let’s start back. What was growing up for you in New Zealand? Because obviously, you’re sporty.

Jason Kelly: Yes.

Juli Bauer: Let’s talk; didn’t you just get 117th in the world in regionals; or in the open?

Jason Kelly: In the old man division, yes.

Juli Bauer: In the old man division. So this old man is pretty damn fit. So let’s go back to your New Zealand roots of sporty things; or what you did when you were in New Zealand.

Jason Kelly: Really, great childhood. I come from a very small town of about 3000 people. And you know, my parents were hugely into sports, and very good sports people themselves, and we kind of just followed along that, my brothers and I, and we jumped in every sport we could from a very young age. I was mostly a rugby player and a tennis player growing up. Those were my two main sports. I played to a pretty high level on both. Yeah; I mean, growing up in New Zealand, obviously the world is your oyster, right? There’s no danger of anything. Very safe place, and you kind of; during the summer holidays, you get let out after breakfast by your parents, and told not to come home until dinner time.

Juli Bauer: That’s awesome.

Jason Kelly: Yeah. So you just do whatever you want, really. That was kind of what it was like. So awesome; awesome childhood.

Juli Bauer: So you lived there until you were 22?

Jason Kelly: 22.

Juli Bauer: And then; so you came over to the US; why?

Jason Kelly: To play rugby. So I got an invite from a team in Las Vegas to come and play for them for one season, so they flew me over and housed me, and all that, and got to play for a season, or for a year there. I was on my way through Europe to play, and on my way back to Europe to take up another contract over there, and decided to actually stay. I enjoyed it tremendously.

Juli Bauer: How did they find you?

Jason Kelly: One of the coaches there was an old-school buddy of mine from New Zealand.

Juli Bauer: Oh, ok.

Jason Kelly: So it just worked out nicely through that.

Juli Bauer: And did you dabble in college just a little bit before you came over to the US?

Jason Kelly: {laughing} Dabble is a good word. I went to, I enjoyed high school so much that I stayed an extra year.

Juli Bauer: {laughing}

Jason Kelly: {laughing} High school was the best.

Juli Bauer: High school was the worst.

Jason Kelly: {laughing}

Juli Bauer: Literally, you could not pay me all the money in the world to go back to high school.

Jason Kelly: High school; I went to an all-boys school, right?

Juli Bauer: Oh you did?

Jason Kelly: All boys high school.

Juli Bauer: Oh.

Jason Kelly: And it was very sport-dominant; it was like, no one gave a sh*t about academics. It was all about how you performed on the sports field. And I was a big rugby player, a big tennis player; so they invited me to stay another year because we had a good team in both those sports, so if I came back it would make the team even stronger.

Juli Bauer: What!?

Jason Kelly: So I basically delayed my first year at university to stay another year in high school to play sports.

Juli Bauer: Oh my god. You are such a jock.

Jason Kelly: {laughing}

Juli Bauer: {laughs} Eww.

Jason Kelly: Yeah, it was. Man. As soon as I found out, or I knew that I was going to come back again for an extra year; I basically stopped going to classes at high school and just trained.

Juli Bauer: Really?

Jason Kelly: Yeah, it was crazy. So I think my record for one week was 3 classes; was the least amount of classes I went to in a week.

Juli Bauer: Oh my god.

Jason Kelly: And we would just train, and play, and all this during the week. And you know, you’re with friends all the time, especially at boarding school, and it was amazing.

Juli Bauer: How many kids were in your graduating class?

Jason Kelly: I’m guessing about 150.

Juli Bauer: Ok, so not crazy big, but not super small.

Jason Kelly: yeah, it was about 1,000 boys in the school.

Juli Bauer: Were you raised on a farm, or were you in a neighborhood? Because I imagine New Zealand all farm.

Jason Kelly: No, I wasn’t on a farm, it was a really small town. But it was a farming community so my father’s in the farming industry. So I spent a lot of time on farms growing up, but we never actually got in a farm. We always lived in town; just small towns.

Juli Bauer: Ok. So, you fly over to Vegas when your 22.

Jason Kelly: Yep.

Juli Bauer: What happens from there.

Jason Kelly: Well. It was a pretty good step from going from small town New Zealand to Las Vegas.

Juli Bauer: {laughs}

Jason Kelly: It was an eye opener, and it was a hell of a good time. It was a great year, and I wasn’t really working; I was just playing rugby.

Juli Bauer: Yeah, that’s a sweet life.

Jason Kelly: Yeah, it was great.

Juli Bauer: So they just paid for your housing, gave you food?

Jason Kelly: Paid for my housing, gave me a car, food, I wouldn’t have to buy any drinks or anything whenever I went out. It was just; it was almost a free year.

Juli Bauer: What?!

Jason Kelly: Yeah.

Juli Bauer: Sh*t. You don’t have to pay for your own drinks?

Jason Kelly: No. No.

Juli Bauer: Oh my god.

Jason Kelly: Yeah, so it was good.

Juli Bauer: Damn.

Jason Kelly: They looked out for me really well. I ended up getting a job towards the end of that.

Juli Bauer: What kind of job?

Jason Kelly: {laughs} Well, I’ve had a lot of jobs in my life, Juli; just kind of a lot of silly ones.

Juli Bauer: I know; I knew you were a landscaper.

Jason Kelly: I was a landscaper for a while.

Juli Bauer: If you want to landscape our yard, we’re looking for someone right now {laughs}.

Jason Kelly: {laughs} Retired. Retired from that sh*t.

Juli Bauer: F*ck.

Jason Kelly: But I actually worked for a jet ski rental plane.

Juli Bauer: What?

Jason Kelly: Out by the lake, out by Lake Mead, just out of Las Vegas.

Juli Bauer: Mm-hmm.

Jason Kelly: And I’d have to go work at 5 in the morning, because it was so hot, right; you’d have to get the jet skis ready for the day, and all that sort of thing. I mean, I remember; I was a bad, not bad, but I partied a lot back in those days, and I would go straight from the pub to the jet ski place, sleep in my car for 2 hours, and then start work for the day.

Juli Bauer: Jesus.

Jason Kelly: Yeah. It was…

Juli Bauer: So you were out on the strip of Vegas, right?

Jason Kelly: We wouldn’t go out; I mean, every now and then you go on the strip, but there are a lot of really good local places to go, so we tend to visit those establishments.

Juli Bauer: Ok. Are you saying strip clubs?

Jason Kelly: No, I don’t know why; that’s what it sounded like.

Juli Bauer: That’s what your face was; yeah. {laughs}

Jason Kelly: {laughing}

Juli Bauer: “Establishments”, if you see what I’m saying.

Jason Kelly: As soon as I said that, I thought; “Sh*t. She’s going to think strip club.”

Juli Bauer: {laughing}

Jason Kelly: But no. Not really. We had bars that sponsored the rugby team.

Juli Bauer: Oh, ok.

Jason Kelly: So that’s how we’d get free drinks.

Juli Bauer: Damn; that’s crazy.

Jason Kelly: Yeah.

Juli Bauer: So when you were playing rugby; how many years did you play professional rugby?

Jason Kelly: I only played; well 2 years professional in Italy, and then I was about to take up another contract in England.

Juli Bauer: Wait, when did you go to Italy?

Jason Kelly: Before Vegas.

Juli Bauer: Oh, ok.

Jason Kelly: Yeah. So I lived in Italy for 2 years, and then about 1999-2000; it seems so long ago.

Juli Bauer: {laughs}

Jason Kelly: And then went home for 2 or 3 months, didn’t have anything to do, and that’s when I went to Vegas.

Juli Bauer: Ok. And then how long were you in Vegas for?

Jason Kelly: For the first time, just over a year.

Juli Bauer: And, when you were playing professional rugby; or I guess your entire rugby career; how many concussions have you had?

Jason Kelly: I remember 12.

Juli Bauer: Oh my god. 12 concussions?

Jason Kelly: 12 that I know of. Yeah. And it was weird, because I didn’t get; well I got my first one in high school, and I didn’t get my second one until well later on, and then I got a string of them all really, really close together.

Juli Bauer: Mm-hmm.

Jason Kelly: And my last one before I retired was pretty bad. I got knocked out on the Saturday, like completely knocked out, and then on the Tuesday I started throwing up just randomly. Not sick, just throwing up from the concussion still. And I had headaches, migraines, for 3 months following that. Every time my heart rate got up, I would get a migraine.

Juli Bauer: Jeeze. Yeah.

Jason Kelly: Really, really bad. Bright lights; all the stuff you read about; depression, loss of memory, I had all that stuff. And it freaks the f*ck out of me now, reading with all the NFL stuff.

Juli Bauer: I know!

Jason Kelly: All that sort of stuff.

Juli Bauer: That sh*t is so scary.

Jason Kelly: Yeah.

Juli Bauer: So scary.

Jason Kelly: It is.

Juli Bauer: So that’s why you went into retirement.

Jason Kelly: That’s why I retired. Yep.

Juli Bauer: Called it quits.

Jason Kelly: Called it quits.

Juli Bauer: So now; and you started coaching rugby after you quit, right?

Jason Kelly: Yeah, I’ve kind of coached since I was like 20; coached young age group teams, and I took it up seriously, coaching rugby, after I retired. Immediately after I retired, because I wanted to still be involved in some format. So, yeah.

Juli Bauer: And you have 2 kids, and they both play rugby. How old are they? 6?

Jason Kelly: Mateo is almost 8, or just about to turn 8.

Juli Bauer: F*ck, almost 8?

Jason Kelly: Yeah.

Juli Bauer: Damn.

Jason Kelly: And Maddox is 5.

Juli Bauer: And they both play rugby, right?

Jason Kelly: They do.

Juli Bauer: And you coach them? Their team?

Jason Kelly: No. No.

Juli Bauer: Why do you say it like that; you wouldn’t?

Jason Kelly: I wouldn’t want to. No, they’re too young. Maybe when they’re in high school and stuff I might think about coaching, but I just want them to have fun and enjoy it. I want to enjoy being a father watching my sons play.

Juli Bauer: Yeah, yeah. That’s cute. I feel like kids playing rugby is cute.

Jason Kelly: It is very cute. It is very cool. My kids love it. And Mateo actually just started doing tackle this year, so it’s interesting to see.

Juli Bauer: He looks like a tackler.

Jason Kelly: {laughs}

Juli Bauer: He don’t give a f*ck.

Jason Kelly: {laughing}

Juli Bauer: {laughs} He will tackle anyone.

Jason Kelly: So yeah, it’s good. They love it. It’s the same deal; I would like for them to play a bunch of different sports, it doesn’t have to be rugby, but they seem to have latched onto that so far.

Juli Bauer: Well I have a question kind of related to that; but we’re going to step back, because I want to know how you got into CrossFit. So did you do CrossFit at all when you were playing rugby?

Jason Kelly: No, I didn’t know; I wish I had known about it, but I never knew about it until I started coaching. And I was coaching the team, I moved back to Las Vegas to take up a landscaping job there, and I started coaching a team there, and CrossFit Las Vegas at the time started sponsoring my rugby team that I was coaching. And I walked in the first night, they were doing a preseason training, and I walked in, and there were like 5 really attractive women overhead squatting like 95 pounds.

Juli Bauer: {laughing}

Jason Kelly: And I was like, holy sh*t this looks amazing. And I was like, from then on I was like; yeah. This is great. And I kicked their asses.

Juli Bauer: All about those women.

Jason Kelly: All about; I mean, the overhead squat is a fantastic movement {laughs} to see a woman’s form.

Juli Bauer: {laughing} Yeah.

Jason Kelly: Right.

Juli Bauer: And males.

Jason Kelly: And males. Sure. {laughs}

Juli Bauer: Because, I mean I remember seeing my husband overhead squat for the first time, and it wasn’t that great.

Jason Kelly: {laughing}

Juli Bauer: And that’s when I was not attracted to him. But as his overhead squat improved, I was more attracted to him.

Jason Kelly: Really.

Juli Bauer: Yeah.

Jason Kelly: That was the deciding factor.

Juli Bauer: Yeah, for sure.

Jason Kelly: Overhead squat ability.

Juli Bauer: {laughs} So you started crossfitting at CrossFit Las Vegas.

Jason Kelly: Yes.

Juli Bauer: So how did it kind of take you into actually owning your own business. Oh wait; did you suck at CrossFit when you first started? Or did you have a good engine because of rugby.

Jason Kelly: I had a pretty; well, actually after I retired from playing rugby I put on 20 pounds.

Juli Bauer: I know. I didn’t want to bring it up.

Jason Kelly: {laughing}

Juli Bauer: {laughs} I’ve seen some photos. I mean, I’ve gone through my weight issues through the years; but you had a round face.

Jason Kelly: Crazy.

Juli Bauer: Maybe I’ll put a picture of you on, when I do this post.

Jason Kelly: No. Before and after?

Juli Bauer: Yes! Jason is pretty f*cking ripped. He’s a very ripped guy, so to see him not ripped is very hilarious.

Jason Kelly: I couldn’t believe I put on that much weight. And I remember the day I was like; man this is ridiculous. Because I saw a photo of me and some friends at a pool party in Vegas, and I looked disgusting.

Juli Bauer: {laughs}

Jason Kelly: And I was like; so that Monday morning I got up super early, I ran about half a mile to the local swimming pool; swam like 3 laps, because that’s all I could handle.

Juli Bauer: {laughing}

Jason Kelly: And then ran back. And as I was running back, my whole body cramped.

Juli Bauer: Oh my god!

Jason Kelly: Like, it was disgusting. I couldn’t believe how out of shape I was.

Juli Bauer: You cramp all the time.

Jason Kelly: I do, but it was like I was so out of f*cking shape after being a high-level athlete like that; and I was terrified, to be honest. And I’m pretty; once I set my mind to something, I’m like; hardcore, right?

Juli Bauer: Mm-hmm.

Jason Kelly: So I went like that automatically; changed my diet instantly, started going to the gym. And then even beyond the gym, doing CrossFit workouts at the local 24-hour fitness as well.

Juli Bauer: So you pretty much went out of retirement, and you were like; ok, I need to start doing something. And went to a CrossFit gym.

Jason Kelly: No.

Juli Bauer: Or did you start working out.

Jason Kelly: No, after I retired, I didn’t do anything for a year, put on that weight, and then I went and did my thing. I did CrossFit with the team twice a week, that I was coaching, and then I did the other on my own, CrossFit on my own, at the local 24-hour fitness. Then I joined CrossFit Las Vegas after the season; the rugby season finished.

Juli Bauer: And did you love how CrossFit was so competitive.

Jason Kelly: I did.

Juli Bauer: Did you get super competitive once you got into it?

Jason Kelly: Yeah. Yeah, for sure. I mean, I’m crazy competitive so.

Juli Bauer: So competitive.

Jason Kelly: {laughs} That’s why I think it works for me, is that it drives me. Now not so much against other people; now it’s more against myself, and getting older, how much improvement can I see each year, even though I’m getting older, right?

Juli Bauer: Mm-hmm.

Jason Kelly: So, obviously we just finished The Open; and The Open is a great way to judge that, or gauge that. I mean, I’m increasing my rankings, even in the young man’s division, every year even though I’m getting older.

Juli Bauer: Mm-hmm.

Jason Kelly: Which is crazy to me.

Juli Bauer: Yeah.

Jason Kelly: Especially with as many more people who are doing it now and how serious some people take it.

Juli Bauer: Totally.

Jason Kelly: And I just do classes like you do. I just jump in the regular class here, at CrossFit Broadway.

Juli Bauer: {laughs} Just a little plug. {laughs}

Jason Kelly: And still have that; that’s what drives me, is really how good can I get just for myself.

Juli Bauer: Do you look at people when you’re doing The Open, like certain people that you know or CrossFit big people that you’re like; let me see how I ranked.

Jason Kelly: Yeah, I do, especially now in the 35-39 division, because there are a lot of ex-Games athletes in that division; and it’s hugely competitive. I mean, I compare myself to Chris Spealler a lot, in terms of what he gets. Even though he’s still smaller than I am, I think I beat him in only one this year; maybe two. But there are certain people like that, that are at a high level, that I would like to get to, even still now. I look at some of those guys for sure.

Juli Bauer: That’s awesome.

Jason Kelly: And then Pat Burke is probably another one.

Juli Bauer: Oh yeah; at MBS. Is he still there? Is he still doing that?

Jason Kelly: Yep. And he’s still competing. And I think I beat him this year, which is like.

Juli Bauer: It’s no big deal. It’s no big deal.

Jason Kelly: {laughs}

Juli Bauer: So you’re in Vegas crossfitting, and then you move out to Colorado.

Jason Kelly: Yes.

Juli Bauer: And you open a gym. How did this opening a gym; because you of course were coaching rugby. So you had the coaching background in the first place, but how did opening a gym come to be, really?

Jason Kelly: So we; my family, when we lived in Vegas, we moved back for a couple of years. I’d been crossfitting for about a year there. Then we had a family tragedy; my son passed away, so we decided to move back to Denver to be close to my wife’s family. And I wasn’t really happy with what I was doing work-wise anyway; or career-wise, and that tragedy kind of put perspective in my life. I guess, it made me think about what I really wanted to do.

Juli Bauer: Yeah.

Jason Kelly: Put a different change in that, and it made me think that I wanted to do something that was a little more meaningful. And I’ve always been sporty, and coached since I was 16; I think I started coaching rugby and tennis. And then this kind of opportunity came up; I was having barbecue with a friend, and he was crossfitting, I was crossfitting. I was like, there are not many gyms here in Denver; let’s open one up. And that’s really how it came across.

Juli Bauer: What year was that?

Jason Kelly: It was almost 7 years ago, so 2010.

Juli Bauer: ok.

Jason Kelly: Was when we started talking about it. And we moved back here to Denver, and I didn’t have anything to do. I didn’t have any job prospects or anything like that. I think we opened; after the initial conversation, I think we opened 3 months later.

Juli Bauer: Oh wow.

Jason Kelly: Yeah, so it happened really quick. We just raised some money, and even back then you didn’t need a lot of money to open.

Juli Bauer: Yeah, things were simpler back then. {laughs}

Jason Kelly: It was much, much simpler. And finding the space was easy. And there was no competition, right? So we could pick and choose what part of the city we wanted to be in, and all that. And we picked well, so. I mean, for me it was a huge distraction from what had gone on in our lives, and it was exactly what I needed to do, was to dive into something that I was passionate about, for one. Because I think if I did something that I wasn’t passionate about, I probably would have fallen off the wagon again.

Juli Bauer: Yeah.

Jason Kelly: And my lifestyle probably would have changed, and depression and all that stuff. So I was very lucky that that conversation happened, for one, but that I was lucky enough to act on it and open it up.

Juli Bauer: Yeah, for sure. So, you were in that last building; the first gym that you started in, for 5 years? 6 years? And then you just moved to this new facility.

Jason Kelly: Yeah, so we were in the original location for about 5.5 years or so; it treated us really well.

Juli Bauer: It was an awesome gym. I loved that gym.

Jason Kelly: Yeah.

Juli Bauer: And it was such a cool location; it was right on a main downtown street, so lots of homeless people, lots of foot traffic.

Jason Kelly: {laughs}

Juli Bauer: Lots of throw up.

Jason Kelly: Lots of throw up.

Juli Bauer: It was just; and not throw up from our gym; just actual people on the street.

Jason Kelly: And poop.

Juli Bauer: And poop, yes!

Jason Kelly: {laughs}

Juli Bauer: There was human feces one time in the back parking lot, that I almost stepped in.

Jason Kelly: {laughing}

Juli Bauer: Human feces. And throw up in front of it. It was quite lovely. Quite lovely. But you’ve moved to a better location now; a bigger gym. You offer CrossFit and you offer FIT; which FIT is our boot camp style classes, so we have two separate rooms for that. So looking back at the past almost 7 years, what were things that you would have changed that you would have done differently going backwards? Obviously, it’s brought you to a good place now, so it’s hard to say you’d really change anything. But is there anything like you would promote your gym differently, or you’d hire differently, or anything that you see?

Jason Kelly: Nothing crazy. I think I would have opened; I opened with just me doing absolutely everything.

Juli Bauer: How many classes did you start with?

Jason Kelly: I think I started with 6. And we grew really fast. We had 50 members within the first month. But I was running 6 or 7 classes a day right from the beginning, so being there from 6 a.m. till 7 o’clock at night, every single day, and having people; having zero people in some classes, right? So I should have just opened with 4 classes a day.

Juli Bauer: So you wouldn’t be stuck there all day.

Jason Kelly: Started trying to fill those up first, and create that community, and atmosphere within those classes, and then add on. But you know; I was lucky that we grew so fast anyway. It was short-lived. I think we had 100 members within 3 months, which is just crazy.

Juli Bauer: Yeah.

Jason Kelly: But yeah, other than that I think; boring, but our accountant stuff, even for the first probably 2 years of the business, we just had random people doing our accounting and bookkeeping stuff. We had no software or systems in place for that stuff, and we would have lost a sh*t ton of money just from things slipping through the cracks.

Juli Bauer: Totally.

Jason Kelly: I mean, we would find people that hadn’t paid membership in 6 months.

Juli Bauer: {laughs} Yeah. I remember that.

Jason Kelly: Right? It’s not their fault, it’s just that we didn’t catch it, right. So you can’t go back to that person and say, hey, you haven’t paid in 6 months, you owe me $1200.

Juli Bauer: Totally.

Jason Kelly: Right? You say, it’s my fault, I’m sorry, I’ve got to start billing you again.

Juli Bauer: Yeah.

Jason Kelly: So we lost a lot of money in that. And I was more; I still am, but I’m a coach first versus a business man. And that’s kind of always been my struggle and my biggest work on, I think, is being a better businessman versus just a coach.

Juli Bauer: Yeah.

Jason Kelly: Yeah.

Juli Bauer: So, what do you think makes your gym; because I’ve been, before I started at CrossFit Broadway, I worked at 5 different CrossFit gyms at the same time. I’ve gone to tons of CrossFit gyms, and I had friends at many of them, so I kind of frequent at different gyms. But I really found that CrossFit Broadway was just the best gym all around. The coaching was awesome, the relationships; I mean, everyone pretty much at my wedding were people from the gym; so all the relationships I’ve built.

Jason Kelly: Except me.

Juli Bauer: Yeah, except for you, you mother f*cker.

Jason Kelly: {laughs}

Juli Bauer: It’s kind of selfish to ask someone to go to Jamaica; but that’s beside the point. That’s my only child behavior.

Jason Kelly: {laughing}

Juli Bauer: So, what do you think makes your gym different that it keeps people here, and keeps people coming back. How did you create that?

Jason Kelly: It’s hard to put a finger on it. But you have to create an atmosphere where people enjoy working out, right. This stuff is not easy, and there are some days that just suck, right? Where there’s a day with tough movements for you as an individual, whatever; so you have to make it fun for people. If you don’t make it fun, then why the hell would they come, right?

Juli Bauer: Yeah.

Jason Kelly: If it’s a tough workout, and it sucks mentally; there’s no way people are going to keep coming back if it’s not fun. So you have to make it; people say it’s a lot, but you have to make it the best hour of the day, in a number of different facets, in terms of you have to make it fun for them, and enjoyable, and a place where they can create new relationships, and laugh. And then you also have to create a place where they can actually see results at the same time, right?

Juli Bauer: Progress.

Jason Kelly: Yeah. There are a number of factors; but number one is always enjoyment, for sure. We talk about those coaches, right; they have to enjoy the class, number one. And then it’s like; relentless coaching, and just relentless in terms of, not being a dick, but nitpicky coaching in terms of fine tuning movements and really enjoying seeing progress and not just weight, but actually have improvement in movement, right?

Juli Bauer: Yeah.

Jason Kelly: So I think we; and it takes a long time to build a really solid staff, and it’s bloody hard. It’s hard to find really good coaches, and a staff that can work well together, and be really consistent. But I think that we have that now, and we’ve had it for a while; is that we do a really good job of creating all those things; creating that atmosphere, the funness and being nitpicky and seeing great, great results.

Juli Bauer: And I feel like you do a lot of events. So you always have a Christmas party; you always have a Halloween party. You try to get people involved in things outside the gym. Because people are so in their class. If they go to 5:30 every single day, they only see 5:30 people; they only build the relationships within the 5:30 class. So I think you’ve done a great job with setting up the Christmas party, and Halloween party. And then The Open we had a party every Friday where people could have drinks, and hang out, and do weird stuff at the gym.

Jason Kelly: Right. {laughs}

Juli Bauer: So I think you’ve done a great job with that, creating community outside of just…

Jason Kelly: Weird stuff is a good way to put it.

Juli Bauer: Yeah, weird stuff. I get to see videos, since I always peace out early. I’m not good at being part of a community.

Jason Kelly: Yeah; I think… your membership is your reflection of you as an owner. Alright? So I think that’s really, really true in terms of; I like people. I’m a little bit of an introvert, but I enjoy socializing with people I really like. And I have 300 people here that I really like.

Juli Bauer: Yeah.

Jason Kelly: There’s not one person in this gym that I wouldn’t enjoy sitting down and having a beer with, right?

Juli Bauer: Not one?

Jason Kelly: Not one.

Juli Bauer: What?!

Jason Kelly: Yeah.

Juli Bauer: I could name one or two.

Jason Kelly: {laughing}

Juli Bauer: Do you; ok, so that kind of goes into a question. How do you deal with; because I’m sure any business owner of any kind has to deal with customers that they don’t like. So how do you deal with a person that you might not like when you start off.

Jason Kelly: You’ve got to find the best side of the person. Because that always happens, right? There’s going to be conflict or whatever.

Juli Bauer: Yeah, totally.

Jason Kelly: And it’s weird; I’ve kind of I guess taught myself or learned over the years that there’s always something in somebody that you will appreciate, and you will find in common or like.

Juli Bauer: Totally.

Jason Kelly: And you totally; there was a time, early on, in the first year that certain people would walk in, and I’d be like, “uggh! F*ck.”

Juli Bauer: {laughs}

Jason Kelly: “Not this again.”

Juli Bauer: Yeah.

Jason Kelly: Right? And then it’s like; but that’s my issue, it’s not theirs. It’s got nothing to do with them, it’s my issue. So I had to change the way I thought about it, and find the best thing I could about that person, that I could relate to, and make a friendship out of that.

Juli Bauer: Is that when you; so whenever we have class; we have a big group of people, and we all stretch, and Jason will go through questions. So when you have that, do you ever try to pull that person into just getting them to talk a little bit more?

Jason Kelly: Yeah. It really helps.

Juli Bauer: Yeah, totally.

Jason Kelly: I mean, the more you know about somebody, the more chances you have.

Juli Bauer: You just keep digging?

Jason Kelly: Yes.

Juli Bauer: Digging into their soul.

Jason Kelly: I love inquiring about other people’s sh*t.

Juli Bauer: {laughs}

Jason Kelly: {laughing}

Juli Bauer: You do. The main question Jason likes to ask people here at the gym is about their dating life.

Jason Kelly: Yeah!

Juli Bauer: So yesterday; you know, I don’t know what the hell we were talking about, nothing; and then he’s like, “Oh, who’s on a dating app in here?”

Jason Kelly: {laughs}

Juli Bauer: Like, you just love hearing this kind of stuff. You like personal lives; which I love your personal life, and digging into your personal life, so that’s always fun, too.

Jason Kelly: We’re not going to go there today, Juli.

Juli Bauer: {laughing} Another; next podcast.

Jason Kelly: Next podcast. A year from now.

Juli Bauer: {laughs}

Jason Kelly: But it’s such a crazy world out there that I know nothing about. This whole online dating, and dating app thing is just so fun to me. I think it’s hilarious for one, but it’s so interesting; you can have zero game, but go on three or four dates a week.

Juli Bauer: Yeah.

Jason Kelly: It’s crazy to me.

Juli Bauer: Right?

Jason Kelly: Right? So back in my day {laughs} you had to be really good, you know, conversationalist.

Juli Bauer: You didn’t have to do sh*t; you had to just whip your little accent around. {laughs}

Jason Kelly: Conversationalist, right? You had to have some sort of game if you wanted to attract the ladies, right?

Juli Bauer: Yeah.

Jason Kelly: Nowadays, you don’t have to do sh*t.

Juli Bauer: No.

Jason Kelly: And it’s hilarious, because it’s purely numbers game. You go for a drink, don’t like them; move on to the next one.

Juli Bauer: Totally numbers.

Jason Kelly: You could do 3 dates in a night.

Juli Bauer: I know, searching for that number one.

Jason Kelly: Yeah.

Juli Bauer: What if; this was your question yesterday. What, if you were on a dating app; what would be the two top things you would promote about yourself?

Jason Kelly: Me?

Juli Bauer: Yeah.

Jason Kelly: I never answer my own questions.

Juli Bauer: Well you have to, you’re on my podcast.

Jason Kelly: {laughing}

Juli Bauer: {laughs}

Jason Kelly: I was actually talking about this last night. I’m going to say needy as f*ck.

Juli Bauer: Needy as f*ck?

Jason Kelly: Yeah, I’m just making that one up.

Juli Bauer: Oh, ok. That pulls the woman in.

Jason Kelly: {laughs} Yeah. And, I’m a bit of a foodie, I think.

Juli Bauer: Yeah?

Jason Kelly: Yeah.

Juli Bauer: I didn’t know that about you.

Jason Kelly: Yeah, I enjoy good food.

Juli Bauer: Hmm.

Jason Kelly: I enjoy good restaurants and all that stuff.

Juli Bauer: Yeah.

Jason Kelly: Yeah. Like food and wine, right? Yeah. I don’t really know.

Juli Bauer: Foodie, and probably a gym owner.

Jason Kelly: Yeah, I don’t know if I would put that. I wouldn’t put that.

Juli Bauer: Fitness enthusiast? {laughs}

Jason Kelly: I wouldn’t even put that. No.

Juli Bauer: Very vascular?

Jason Kelly: Extremely vascular.

Juli Bauer: {laughing}

Jason Kelly: Extremely vascular; foodie. {laughs}

Juli Bauer: Ok, I like that. That sounds like you’ll get a ton of women.

Jason Kelly: Yeah; there’s going to be a lot of; is right swipe good or left swipe good?

Juli Bauer: I have no idea. I’ve never swiped.

Jason Kelly: I’m going to guess; a lot of right swipes on that.

Juli Bauer: Right swipes.

Jason Kelly: {laughing}

Juli Bauer: So, what would you recommend for a person who is looking to open their own CrossFit gym. Because at least there are 4,000 within the US.

Jason Kelly: Yeah. I would say wait; there are way too many of us already.

Juli Bauer: {laughs} Don’t get in the game.

Jason Kelly: {laughs} Do your research. No one has any idea how much f*cking work it is.

Juli Bauer: Yeah.

Jason Kelly: They have no clue. Especially when you first open it and you don’t have the support staff around you, or your systems up to date or in place. It will consume you. I remember; it’s different now, there’s a lot more software out there these days to help.

Juli Bauer: Totally.

Jason Kelly: But the first, probably 3 years, I was at the gym 7 days a week, 3 out of every 4 weeks, right?

Juli Bauer: Yeah. And then you get constant emails; people looking for a gym or dropping in.

Jason Kelly: Constant emails; and it still happens now, and I still do those. But there’s no such thing as a day off. Even when I’m on vacation, I’m still working. I still answer emails, I still answer the phone, all that sort of stuff. So there’s never; we’re in New Zealand for a month, right? I was still answering emails every single day when I was there. It just never ever ends.

Juli Bauer: I think that’s any business owner. If you want to own your own business, be prepared to work 7 days a week.

Jason Kelly: Yep.

Juli Bauer: So you better f*cking love it.

Jason Kelly: Yeah, you have to love it, and you have to be passionate about it. And if you’re not passionate about owning a CrossFit gym, then you will not be very good at it. Right?

Juli Bauer: Yeah.

Jason Kelly: And you have to be the biggest thing, or; the most tiring thing about it, is you have to be ‘on’ all the f*cking time. In terms of your best mood, all the time. Whenever there’s a client or an athlete in the gym, you have to be on.

Juli Bauer: Turned on.

Jason Kelly: Turned on. Somewhat.

Juli Bauer: {laughs} Somewhat on.

Jason Kelly: So, yeah. I mean, it’s really hard work. And even I think the coaching staff don’t realize how much work goes on behind the scenes, and programming, and all that stuff. And obviously, a lot of gym owners now will divide those responsibilities up; I just haven’t done that. {laughs}

Juli Bauer: Yeah, you’re not into that. You’re not into sharing. I think Jason had me program one week, maybe, when he was out of town. This was when there were only 3 coaches; this was back in the day.

Jason Kelly: When you quit on me?

Juli Bauer: We’ll get into that later.

Jason Kelly: {laughs}

Juli Bauer: No; was that even it? I remember way back in the day, and he never asked anybody to program again. I don’t know if that’s a dis against my own programming, or you’re just such a control freak. Because you let Saturday morning coaches sometimes pick workouts, and they ain’t the best, Jason.

Jason Kelly: Every now and then; not very often.

Juli Bauer: Yeah, because I complain.

Jason Kelly: Yeah.

Juli Bauer: I like your workouts. But you’re not very good at dividing all the time. And that’s fine, because it’s your f*cking business. If you want to run a business a certain way, you do it. That’s what I do with my business.

Jason Kelly: Yeah. I need to be better; there’s no doubt, I need to share responsibilities a little bit more. The program piece, though; I don’t know if I would ever give that away.

Juli Bauer: Nah. I think you should keep it as is.

Jason Kelly: Because no one knows my members like I do.

Juli Bauer: No.

Jason Kelly: Right?

Juli Bauer: Jason comes into the gym every morning, and looks at the board from the day before, and literally reads every single person’s score. And then he’ll talk to that person that day about their score and the weight they got, and telling them good job, or why did you slack. He see’s everything.

Jason Kelly: {laughing}

Juli Bauer: So that’s another thing; as a CrossFit gym owner, you have to give a f*ck all the time.

Jason Kelly: Yeah, all the time.

Juli Bauer: Because those people are paying your bills.

Jason Kelly: Right.

Juli Bauer: So you have to truly care about them if you want them to continue to do that.

Jason Kelly: Absolutely.

Juli Bauer: Well I think you’re doing a great job at it.

Jason Kelly: Thanks Juli.

Juli Bauer: {laughs} So here’s a question; because I get this all the time as a female crossfitter, and in the fitness/food world. So what do you say, because we have our boot camp style classes; which more women than men. It’s pretty divided at this point, but a little bit more women than men. And a lot of women start with that, if they haven’t dabbled in CrossFit yet, we get them kind of dabbling in FIT first, just to kind of get their food in the door. Especially if they’re not feeling comfortable with fitness yet. But, what question I get a lot is; I’m scared to do CrossFit, is it going to make me bulky?

Jason Kelly: Right.

Juli Bauer: I don’t know if you’ve had to deal with this, because I don’t know if females talk to you about this kind of thing; but have you had to deal with this question? And if you have, what do you say?

Jason Kelly: You know, I haven’t actually had to deal with that question for a long time, to be honest.

Juli Bauer: Well that’s good.

Jason Kelly: It’s been a while.

Juli Bauer: I got it just yesterday.

Jason Kelly: Did you really?

Juli Bauer: Yeah, every day.

Jason Kelly: Well I think, because we have so many females on staff now, that the females ask the females more so than me.

Juli Bauer: Yeah.

Jason Kelly: Because I think they’ll know what I’ll say.

Juli Bauer: What would say.

Jason Kelly: That they’re full of sh*t, right?

Juli Bauer: {laughs} So ok; but we look…

Jason Kelly: So a really good example. We just had a 30-day food challenge. Right, that coach Christie ran here. And there were people in the 30-day food challenge from FIT and CrossFit; from both sides. The FIT people that did it, that pretty much ate exactly the same way for that 30 days, but just attended FIT classes, alright, didn’t have as good results as the people that did the same that did CrossFit.

Juli Bauer: And that’s in fat loss? Is that what they gauge.

Jason Kelly: Fat loss. Yep. So the difference between CrossFit obviously is a little bit more weight oriented, where we’re heavier. Plus the intensity pieces is like the magic, right? The weight training; no one is going to get bulky unless you eat 6-7 meals a day and you train 3 hours a day. If you want to do that; great, you’re going to get bulky, right?

Juli Bauer: Yeah.

Jason Kelly: And you’ve experienced that stuff, when you trained your ass off and ate to perform.

Juli Bauer: Yeah, when I was trying to lift the same weights as you, pretty much.

Jason Kelly: Yeah. So, then if that’s your goal that’s what will happen. But if you’re attending class, like 3-5 days a week for one hour; not a f*cking sh*t show an hour, though.

Juli Bauer: And you’re eating.

Jason Kelly: And you’re eating what you normally would be eating healthfully.

Juli Bauer: Not drinking; which our gym isn’t very good at. {laughs}

Jason Kelly: {laughs} We’re social.

Juli Bauer: We’re social.

Jason Kelly: But there’s no way in hell you’re going to get bulky. People always talk about tone, right; but tone is muscle. So if you want to get muscle you’re going to have to lift weights. So if you come here 5 days a week and you eat well, you’re going to look tremendous. Bottom line.

Juli Bauer: Yeah. And I know we used to have more females; do we still have more females than guys?

Jason Kelly: Yeah, we’re still slightly dominant female for sure.

Juli Bauer: That’s awesome.

Jason Kelly: Yeah, it’s great.

Juli Bauer: Because I feel like a lot of CrossFit gyms that I know are a little bit more male dominant; depending on what. If they’re in a younger area, like ours, they’re a little bit more male dominant than female.

Jason Kelly: Yeah, we are still female dominant, for sure.

Juli Bauer: That’s awesome.

Jason Kelly: Maybe that is because we have so many female coaches; as well, that may play a part there. Or, it may be because the male coaches are so handsome.

Juli Bauer: {laughs} Yeah.

Jason Kelly: {laughs}

Juli Bauer: Man, Nate with his Unabomber beard is sexy as f*ck.

Jason Kelly: {laughing}

Juli Bauer: Shout out to Nate; shave your sh*t. Thank god Brian shaved his beard, so I love him again.

Jason Kelly: So let me flip the script; if your house was on fire.

Juli Bauer: Oh my god.

Jason Kelly: And you had to choose between Jackson and your husband.

Juli Bauer: Oh. No f*cking way!

Jason Kelly: Who would you choose?

Juli Bauer: You can’t!

Jason Kelly: {laughing}

Juli Bauer: I’m going to get teary-eyed. Oh my god.

Jason Kelly: Ok, if Brian was passed out asleep.

Juli Bauer: Oh f*ck.

Jason Kelly: And Jackson was the same, you only had to save one of them. You only had time for one.

Juli Bauer: Well, since Brian doesn’t listen to this podcast {laughs}

Jason Kelly: {laughing}

Juli Bauer: Well ok; I could never carry out Brian by myself.

Jason Kelly: That’s the excuse you’re giving?

Juli Bauer: I just really love my dog! Oh my god.

Jason Kelly: {laughing} So you’re choosing Jackson?

Juli Bauer: Man. Don’t text Brian. Is that why you’re opening up your phone?

Jason Kelly: I’m not texting him; I just want a confirmation.

Juli Bauer: I’m sweating. I’m sweating now. Ok, no I have to pick Brian. You know, I love him. He bought me Jackson.

Jason Kelly: Jeeze, don’t feel forced into that.

Juli Bauer: Well, he’s my husband. You can’t just kill a human being. But dogs dying is so sad. That’s a good question.

Jason Kelly: Sadder than a human?

Juli Bauer: {laughing} I don’t know. But they’re so helpless; you know, adults say mean things. Brian doesn’t say mean things, he’s like the nicest person ever.

Jason Kelly: Does the crowd know your husband’s name?

Juli Bauer: Well I’ve mentioned.

Jason Kelly: Oh you have.

Juli Bauer: Yeah.

Jason Kelly: Ok.

Juli Bauer: Still not his face.

Jason Kelly: {laughing}

Juli Bauer: Hopefully. Hopefully I’ve kept that a secret.

Jason Kelly: There’s no doubt, he’s got a face for a podcast.

Juli Bauer: {laughing} There was this girl in La Jolla who recognized me, and she was like; “Juli! PaleOMG!” And she came over and talked to us. And I was like; f*ck, she’s seen Brian. And Brian kind of wants to turn away. I’m like; now a person saw his face.

Jason Kelly: {laughing}

Juli Bauer: {laughs}

Jason Kelly: Oh that’s good.

Juli Bauer: Can we move on from that question.

Jason Kelly: {laughing}

Juli Bauer: {laughs} Ok, so do you hope that your kids do CrossFit and rugby? Or do you hope that they do one more than the other?

Jason Kelly: I just want them to do whatever makes them happy. I want them to participate in sports, without question. Team sports.

Juli Bauer: What if they aren’t sporty? I feel like they’re both sporty, huh?

Jason Kelly: Yeah, they both are but I have a feeling Mateo may change that; my oldest son.

Juli Bauer: What if he goes into the total opposite, like theater? I feel like you’d still be into that.

Jason Kelly: I wouldn’t consider theater; it’s like, would be the same atmosphere as a team. So as long as he’s somewhere where it’s not just an individual; an individual thing, as long as it’s a team-oriented space, that’s totally fine.

Juli Bauer: Ok.

Jason Kelly: If they do athletics, or they do sports, then CrossFit is only going to help them with that. I mean, we come in and we workout together and stuff like that. It’s like; I let them do whatever the hell they want, as long as it’s safe, obviously. But I let them write their own workouts; they get to choose 3 or 4 movements they want to do that day, and they just have fun. I throw the clock on just because they like to have it on, and when they’re done, when they think they’ve had enough, they stop. It’s like, they just do whatever the hell they want.

Juli Bauer: Yeah; they make up their own workouts. I’ve seen them.

Jason Kelly: Dude, it’s awesome. They write them on the board, and they don’t even make any sense.

Juli Bauer: Yeah, they’re just random letters.

Jason Kelly: Yeah.

Juli Bauer: {laughs}

Jason Kelly: But it’s funny that Maddox loves to deadlift, I’ve never taught him to deadlift but he deadlifts really well. And Mateo loves the split jerk.

Juli Bauer: Weird.

Jason Kelly: Yeah.

Juli Bauer: That’s awesome.

Jason Kelly: It’s awesome. And they just both did them one day after watching a class that I was coaching. And they picked up a barbell. And I’ve never, ever taught them anything.

Juli Bauer: And when you say barbell, you mean the 15-pound bar.

Jason Kelly: Yes. The 15 pounds.

Juli Bauer: Ok. Just to specify for people.

Jason Kelly: Yes, yes.

Juli Bauer: That they don’t think you’re some crazy person.

Jason Kelly: {laughs}

Juli Bauer: So what age would you have them actually be doing CrossFit? Since there is CrossFit kids out there; but what age do you think is appropriate.

Jason Kelly: I mean, they’d be fine now, right? If they wanted to or if we had a program. If we had a program, I know they would love it. We’ll probably run one this summer, and I’ll absolutely get them in, because I know it’s fun, right? And it’s all games anyway. It’s all games, and just getting them to play, really.

Juli Bauer: What do you think is an appropriate age for; because we’ve had, what was Eli, he was…

Jason Kelly: He was 12, I think.

Juli Bauer: 12 when he started; but he was an athlete who was training.

Jason Kelly: Specifically.

Juli Bauer: Yeah, specifically. So he’s a little bit different. But what age do you think is appropriate for kids to start in more of a class format, like we have at our gym.

Jason Kelly: I wouldn’t do the Eli thing again; Eli’s a special kid, he’s done fantastically well.

Juli Bauer: Yeah. And he’s good in adult classes, which is crazy.

Jason Kelly: He’s really good. And he’s become almost like a little gym mascot, right?

Juli Bauer: Yeah {laughs}.

Jason Kelly: I wouldn’t really want anyone younger than 18. If somebody; if a parent came to me and didn’t want one on one sessions; one on one is different, but if they wanted their child to be in group classes, I would ask them to find a gym that does CrossFit kids programs.

Juli Bauer: Yeah, ok. Ok that’s good to know. So if you had to pick now between CrossFit and rugby; you could only do one the rest of your life; and concussions are not involved. You can still; you don’t have to throw up randomly throughout the week, and have memory loss. Which one would you choose?

Jason Kelly: Very good question, Juli Bauer.

Juli Bauer: Thank you.

Jason Kelly: Well, I’m too old to play rugby now.

Juli Bauer: Is there an age stop?

Jason Kelly: No, but I’m way too old. It’s too physical for me.

Juli Bauer: Everything just keeps breaking.

Jason Kelly: Yeah.

Juli Bauer: Every day.

Jason Kelly: I mean, as an athlete, I would choose, like if I was 25, I would choose rugby. If I was an athlete. As a coach; I would choose CrossFit.

Juli Bauer: Haven’t you done little games, like 7s or something?

Jason Kelly: Well I coached that.

Juli Bauer: Ok. But you haven’t played any? I thought you played in something with Steve.

Jason Kelly: No. No playing, just coaching.

Juli Bauer: You haven’t played anything since then.

Jason Kelly: Oh, I played one time and I got another concussion.

Juli Bauer: {laughing}

Jason Kelly: {laughing} Like 3 years ago.

Juli Bauer: Oh my god.

Jason Kelly: Like an old boys’ thing. Old mans thing, and I got a concussion in the first 5 minutes.

Juli Bauer: {laughs}

Jason Kelly: And completely ruined my weekend.

Juli Bauer: That’s terrible.

Jason Kelly: It was disgusting.

Juli Bauer: So you, at this age, pick CrossFit.

Jason Kelly: Yes. Especially as a coach.

Juli Bauer: Yeah.

Jason Kelly: If I had to choose one. Because you see so many different types of people and different types of athletes on different levels. It’s always inspiring me to see little improvements with someone; doesn’t matter what the weight is, right? I just love someone getting their first pullup. Or someone squatting below parallel for the first time, with a good position. That stuff gets me fired up.

Juli Bauer: Yeah.

Jason Kelly: I love; we do elements one on one here, and I love coaching elements.

Juli Bauer: Do you really?

Jason Kelly: I f*cking love it. Just to see the light switch go on with some people, and actually have these people receive coaching and accept it, right, so well when it’s their first experience in CrossFit and get to see them get fired up about doing well and moving well. I f*cking love that. It’s really geeky, I guess, but I just love it.

Juli Bauer: You love it!

Jason Kelly: I love it.

Juli Bauer: That’s why your gym does so well. What do you say to people who feel that they’re; because I hear this all the time. “I first need to get into shape before I try CrossFit.”

Jason Kelly: Right.

Juli Bauer: Or they’re too intimidated to do CrossFit, because you come in here; and there are guys like, my friend Tommy, who married us, who has 4 million tattoos, and he has a crazy 6-pack, and he’s just like, “Ugh! Argh!”

Jason Kelly: {laughs}

Juli Bauer: And he’s screaming, and sweating everywhere. He’s so sweaty. And that’s intimidating to a person who’s like; dude, I just want to workout 3 days a week.

Jason Kelly: Yeah, it is.

Juli Bauer: So what do you say to a person who is too intimidated, or feels too out of shape to start CrossFit.

Jason Kelly: You’ve got to try first, right? Walk-in, or contact a couple of gyms in your area; 2 or 3 gyms, and see what gives you the best feeling in terms of how they respond and all that, and go check them out. Everyone’s going to give you a free class. So go in, ask what day is best in terms of their program, what’s a little bit easier; or less complex movements, and try it out. I think, with us doing our one-on-one elements creates a more confident athlete going into classes, because they’ve had so much attention, that it’s like; they get in the classes, they know exactly what they’re supposed to do movement wise, they’ve already been critiqued heavily. Nicely, but heavily. So they already used to the coaching; so they’re going to pick up on the coaches cues anyway. So, I think the transition is really good.

But everyone has a starting point, right? There’s no point training to start CrossFit, because you’re going to get critiqued when you walk in anyway; no matter how fit you are. We don’t care how fit you are, we care about how you move. So, it’s more about how you move than anything else. The sooner you can start, the sooner you get on a better path of moving better.

Juli Bauer: I think people forget that. Everybody started from somewhere; sure you might have some college athletes that came straight into it, and have been in shape their whole life, but most of the time it’s people who have started with no background that just decided to get into it.

We had this one girl, Sarah, who; she did a snatch. She just started CrossFit, and she fell. She did a snatch and fell on her butt; and she was so embarrassed about it. And she kept talking about it. She was like, “I fell on my ass. I feel so stupid.” I’m like, “I have fallen on my ass doing a snatch 400 times.”

Jason Kelly: {laughs}

Juli Bauer: And I find myself good at snatches. I feel totally comfortable. We all fall. I think people forget that we all started from somewhere, and we’ve all gone through that sh*t at some point.

Jason Kelly: And it doesn’t matter where you are now; it’s like, I always fail at things.

Juli Bauer: Yeah, constantly.

Jason Kelly: Always.

Juli Bauer: You fail every day.

Jason Kelly: {laughs}

Juli Bauer: {laughs}

Jason Kelly: So if we’re always pushing ourselves, like we should be, and expecting more out of ourselves, we should be failing. That’s what makes us better.

Juli Bauer: Yeah, that’s how you get improvement, is those failures. I like it, Jase. Just fist bump. So I have some random questions for you.

Jason Kelly: Oh; so do I.

Juli Bauer: Because I’m getting to the close. I have to pee, you know, at this point. So I’m moving around in my chair. Ok, so have you ever had; this question is from my husband, because he has a bit of a crush on Jason anyway. They have a crush on each other. Have you ever had dreams of your members doing muscle ups while naked?

Jason Kelly: Like actually had dreams, or have I thought about it?

Juli Bauer: Oohh!!

Jason Kelly: I’m just going to say yes to both.

Juli Bauer: Ok {laughing}.

Jason Kelly: {laughs}

Juli Bauer: Dreams that you had just woke up. Were they male or females doing?

Jason Kelly: Both.

Juli Bauer: Both!

Jason Kelly: One’s a little bit more pleasant than the other.

Juli Bauer: Yeah. The males, for sure.

Jason Kelly: Because we used to play that game a lot, butt darts. You remember that butt darts game?

Juli Bauer: Oh yeah.

Jason Kelly: {laughing}

Juli Bauer: Butt darts. It’s where you hold a quarter.

Jason Kelly: Between your butt cheeks.

Juli Bauer: Yeah.

Jason Kelly: So we would have people do muscle ups with a quarter in their butt cheek, with a cup below the rings and try to drop it into the cup.

Juli Bauer: I do not remember that.

Jason Kelly: Steve was pretty good at that. But he would do it clothed.

Juli Bauer: Eww.

Juli Kelly: {laughs}

Juli Bauer: But people did this in their skivvies?

Jason Kelly: Yeah. I’m going to say yes. And I may have dreamed about that as well. Naked.

Juli Bauer: Ew. Do you dream about butt darts, or do you just dream about muscle ups?

Jason Kelly: No, I’ve dreamt about people doing butt darts on the rings naked.

Juli Bauer: Eww! Ewww. Gross. Picturing a guy doing a muscle up naked is so gross.

Jason Kelly: There is nothing; there may be some sound effects to that.

Juli Bauer: So; eww. Gross.

Jason Kelly: {laughing}

Juli Bauer: Ok. That question is brought to you buy Brian.

Jason Kelly: Thanks bud!

Juli Bauer: {laughs} So, what’s your biggest vice.

Jason Kelly: Oh, jeeze.

Juli Bauer: When I think vice, I think food right away, but it doesn’t have to be food related.

Jason Kelly: Sex?

Juli Bauer: Sex? {laughs} that’s a boring one.

Jason Kelly: Is it? Oh. Man.

Juli Bauer: I guess it’s not boring. People love to hear sex stuff.

Jason Kelly: Yeah they do. Like types of food?

Juli Bauer: Yeah.

Jason Kelly: I mean, I love chocolate.

Juli Bauer: Like chocolate bars?

Jason Kelly: Yeah.

Juli Bauer: Don’t you love lemon bars?

Jason Kelly: Like from a bakery?

Juli Bauer: Yeah.

Jason Kelly: Yeah, they’re ok.

Juli Bauer: Oh. That’s weird, I thought you really liked those {laughs}.

Jason Kelly: I like sweets and candy; but I love chocolate.

Juli Bauer: Ok. So if you have a chocolate bar in front of you, will you eat the entire chocolate bar.

Jason Kelly: Yes, without question.

Juli Bauer: You can’t stop.

Jason Kelly: I can’t stop.

Juli Bauer: That sucks. I have like 400…

Jason Kelly: And potato chips.

Juli Bauer: Ok. Like, do you eat good quality potato chips?

Jason Kelly: Yes.

Juli Bauer: Or are you a Lays kind of person.

Jason Kelly: No, I f*cking hate Lays.

Juli Bauer: Do you drink soda.

Jason Kelly: No.

Juli Bauer: Do you recommend people drinking soda.

Jason Kelly: No.

Juli Bauer: Do you recommend people drinking Red Bull.

Jason Kelly: NO!

Juli Bauer: Right?

Jason Kelly: A firm, aggressive no.

Juli Bauer: Oh my god. Somebody was talking about; Corey, last night in the gym, was talking about how he drank a Red Bull before class. I was like; what are you, 18? Who drinks Red Bull anymore?

Jason Kelly: If you want a f*cking heart attack.

Juli Bauer: Right?! And I’m like; you’re still moving slow as f*ck, dude.

Jason Kelly: {laughing}

Juli Bauer: This Bull ain’t doing sh*t for you. God, it’s so gross. And everybody was like, “I drink Red Bull! I drink Red Bull!” And people were saying they drink Rockstars.

Jason Kelly: Are you kidding me?

Juli Bauer: Right?! Who does that anymore.

Jason Kelly: Unbelievable.

Juli Bauer: So you’re not into that nasty stuff.

Jason Kelly: No!

Juli Bauer: You’re into pure potato chips and chocolate.

Jason Kelly: Yeah, like good quality. But I like really good quality food.

Juli Bauer: Yeah, you eat well.

Jason Kelly: I don’t mind spending more money on better stuff. I’d rather do that. I drink; what do you, like La Croix.

Juli Bauer: I don’t know if that counts.

Jason Kelly: Yeah.

Juli Bauer: I like those sometimes.

Jason Kelly: They’re kind of tasty.

Juli Bauer: Yeah. It gives you just a little bubbly; something different.

Jason Kelly: And I like my English Breakfast tea.

Juli Bauer: Oh yeah; you drink so much tea! He has a tea maker; like we’re sitting in his office. He has a tea maker that he makes tea every afternoon; even when it’s like 100 degrees out and the gym is sweltering.

Jason Kelly: Yeah. There’s nothing better to quench the thirst on a hot day than a hot drink.

Juli Bauer: Than an Earl Gray hot tea.

Jason Kelly: Yeah, a hot drink quenches the thirst much faster than a cold drink does.

Juli Bauer: I heard that.

Jason Kelly: You heard that?

Juli Bauer: Yeah, that if you drink hot liquids when you’re hot, it cools your body temperature down.

Jason Kelly: Mm-hmm.

Juli Bauer: That’s what they say in Thailand; the people of Thailand told me.

Jason Kelly: It’s the truth.

Juli Bauer: So, what’s your go-to cocktail.

Jason Kelly: I’ve been getting into some gin and tonics lately.

Juli Bauer: Oh, what kind of gin?

Jason Kelly: What is it?

Juli Bauer: Well? Just the Well gin?

Jason Kelly: No, what do you call it? Bombay Sapphire?

Juli Bauer: Bombay. I don’t know.

Jason Kelly: Yeah.

Juli Bauer: Have you tried Hendricks gin; that’s my favorite.

Jason Kelly: No, I haven’t.

Juli Bauer: It’s good. It’s in a little black bottle.

Jason Kelly: Ok.

Juli Bauer: It’s good.

Jason Kelly: But I actually like a good gin and tonic with some limes. It’s quenching.

Juli Bauer: {laughs} Do you order it hot?

Jason Kelly: No {laughing}. I let it sit for a while.

Juli Bauer: Gross. Do you ever order fun cocktails? Like if you’re out at a cool restaurant and they have a meringue long island.

Jason Kelly: No.

Juli Bauer: No, you’re not.

Jason Kelly: I would drink wine.

Juli Bauer: Ok. You’re a big wino, right?

Jason Kelly: Yeah.

Juli Bauer: You always have wine.

Jason Kelly: Love wine.

Juli Bauer: We like find bottles of drinks in this office. Wasn’t tequila taken out at the last party, at The Open? There was tequila found back here?

Jason Kelly: They f*cking stole my tequila?

Juli Bauer: Yeah.

Jason Kelly: Is it all gone?

Juli Bauer: I don’t know, I wasn’t here. But I heard somebody brought tequila out of the office.

Jason Kelly: Those mother*ckers. They just stole my brand new bottle of tequila.

Juli Bauer: Yeah. You can’t leave sh*t around here.

Jason Kelly: I’m going to get them. Thanks for telling me. {laughs}

Juli Bauer: No problem. {laughs}

Jason Kelly: Holy sh*t.

Juli Bauer: It’s fucked up.

Jason Kelly: It’s fucked up, alright.

Juli Bauer: You have fucked up members. Do you like everybody now?

Jason Kelly: No, I’m pissed now.

Juli Bauer: Now are you going to have a sit-down beer with all these people who stole your sh*t?

Jason Kelly: No, because these motherf*ckers that were here on Friday night…

Juli Bauer: Pretty sure it was Andrew.

Jason Kelly: Dirty dancing sh*t. No.

Juli Bauer: Ok, we’ll move past that. We’ll get; we’ll talk about it once we’re done.

Jason Kelly: Jesus. {laughs}

Juli Bauer: Those assholes, right? I’m such an only child. I’d be so livid.

Jason Kelly: {laughs} I’m not very happy about that.

Juli Bauer: NO. Who gave you that tequila?

Jason Kelly: We won it at the turkey challenge.

Juli Bauer: You won tequila?

Jason Kelly: Yeah.

Juli Bauer: CrossFit loves to boast, or push alcohol.

Jason Kelly: They do. They do.

Juli Bauer: They love it! All CrossFit gyms.

Jason Kelly: Yeah.

Juli Bauer: Ok, what’s your biggest pet peeve.

Jason Kelly: {sigh} I may upset some people.

Juli Bauer: {whispers} I love it.

Jason Kelly: But people that talk about themselves constantly.

Juli Bauer: Oh, are you talking about me?

Jason Kelly: Yes.

Juli Bauer: Oh my god {laughing}.

Jason Kelly: {laughing}

Juli Bauer: What?

Jason Kelly: No, I’m joking. No, not you. I’m joking, I’m joking. I’m not serious about it. But that is probably my biggest pet peeve.

Juli Bauer: Interesting.

Jason Kelly: Yeah.

Juli Bauer: I’m going to keep my mouth shut in classes now. I’m just trying to engage, ok? I’m just trying to be an engaging customer when I’m in your classes.

Jason Kelly: Yeah, I said to her; a little bit of advice, ask questions first.

Juli Bauer: Like when I’m in your class and you’re asking me questions.

Jason Kelly: No, that’s different; right? I’m talking about in a general conversation.

Juli Bauer: Yeah.

Jason Kelly: People that talk about themselves.

Juli Bauer: Totally.

Jason Kelly: I can’t stand that.

Juli Bauer: Totally. And I can think about the people that you don’t like because of that.

Jason Kelly: {laughing}

Juli Bauer: I know it. I know it. What is your most embarrassing moment?

Jason Kelly: Oh wow. That’s a good one. I don’t know.

Juli Bauer: You don’t have an embarrassing moment at all? Like, were you; well, guys I guess don’t get embarrassed. I was out to brunch with a bunch of people from the gym the other day, and we were talking about our most embarrassing moment with the opposite sex; or whoever we’re dating, whatever. And it was mostly involving poop and farts. Every single story.

Jason Kelly: Yeah, I don’t have any of those.

Juli Bauer: But guys don’t really get embarrassed.

Jason Kelly: Never shat the bed.

Juli Bauer: Have you ever clogged a toilet? Did you say never shat in bed?

Jason Kelly: Never shat the bed.

Juli Bauer: Is shat farting in Kiwi talk?

Jason Kelly: Shat. Never shat in the bed. Shat.

Juli Bauer: Ok, I get it. But I hope you haven’t ever sh*t your bed.

Jason Kelly: No; yeah. But with somebody else in it. I’ve clogged plenty of toilets.

Juli Bauer: You have?

Jason Kelly: Yeah.

Juli Bauer: Have you had any toilets overflow while you’ve clogged them?

Jason Kelly: Yeah.

Juli Bauer: In the opposite sex house?

Jason Kelly: No, just my own house.

Juli Bauer: Oh, ok. That’s not too bad.

Jason Kelly: Yeah.

Juli Bauer: You cleaned up your own poop on the floor; it’s not near as embarrassing.

Jason Kelly: Absolutely.

Juli Bauer: I think I had a toilet dream last night; like, overflowing toilet. Thank god that has not happened to me; knock on wood. No plumbing.

Jason Kelly: Check your diet.

Juli Bauer: Ok, that’s all the questions I have for you.

Jason Kelly: Oh.

Juli Bauer: Check your diet! Right.

Jason Kelly: Yeah.

Juli Bauer: Somebody was letting out the worst farts I’ve ever smelled in this gym on Saturday; check your f*cking diet.

Jason Kelly: {laughing}

Juli Bauer: Whoever this was; check your diet, because that’s not normal.

Jason Kelly: I wasn’t here Saturday so it wasn’t me.

Juli Bauer: This person; oh my god. Tommy walked into it and choked. Choked.

Jason Kelly: Oh really? It was that bad?

Juli Bauer: It was so bad. We turned on the fan.

Jason Kelly: Oh wow.

Juli Bauer: Yeah, and the door was open. It was so bad.

Jason Kelly: {laughs} That’s hilarious. I mean, there’s a lot of gassy people in here, there’s no doubt.

Juli Bauer: Yeah, we’ve got to clean up their diets. It’s all that alcohol they’re drinking on f*cking Saturday fun days and Sunday fun days.

Jason Kelly: {laughs} Yes.

Juli Bauer: Are you partaking in Saturday and Sunday fun days.

Jason Kelly: This summer?

Juli Bauer: Yeah. Are you a day drinker?

Jason Kelly: Oh I love to day drink. I’d much rather drink during the day and be done by 10 p.m. than stay out all night.

Juli Bauer: Ok.

Jason Kelly: Yep. Much rather.

Juli Bauer: This kind of just goes into a question. If a person comes to you and says, “I want to lose weight.” And you’re talking specifically about dieting, what is your main recommendation for people? As a gym owner. Since you’ve probably had this question multiple times.

Jason Kelly: Well I tend to do the, “give me a food log.” Give me 3 or 4 days’ worth of everything you put in your body. And then make my substitutions from there. We’re just going to slowly work into it. That’s kind of my go-to I guess. And then we talk about excluding some stuff; whether it be dairy or whatever, and see how they react from that stuff. Taking it out, and reintroducing it, whatever.

And then alcohol, generally.

Juli Bauer: Thanks, Jase. I was hoping you’d say that.

Jason Kelly: Oh really?

Juli Bauer: Because I did a whole podcast about alcohol and how bad it is for you.

Jason Kelly: Oh you did? If I knew you had this podcast, I might have heard it.

Juli Bauer: {laughs} Yeah, I’ll show you how to.

Jason Kelly: Yeah, alcohol intake for sure.

Juli Bauer: It’s bad. It’s bad news bears.

Jason Kelly: Bad news.

Juli Bauer: But, Sunday fun days.

Jason Kelly: I mean, in moderation, right?

Juli Bauer: Yeah.

Jason Kelly: Yeah.

Juli Bauer: Everything in moderation, right?

Jason Kelly: Yes.

Juli Bauer: What about drugs?

Jason Kelly: {laughs}

Juli Bauer: {laughing}

Jason Kelly: What about them?

Juli Bauer: Do you think drugs in moderation?

Jason Kelly: No. Just say no.

Juli Bauer: Just say no to drugs.

Jason Kelly: Just say no.

Juli Bauer: You have two kids, you have to be a good influence.

Jason Kelly: Yeah; I’ve never. I mean, I’m sure I’ve experimented some, but very, very little. Very little. I just don’t see the appeal at all. Its’ not for me; that’s just a personal thing. I’m not going to judge anyone on that stuff, but I just don’t understand it.

Juli Bauer: Ok. Did you see 50 Shades of Grey.

Jason Kelly: No.

Juli Bauer: Did you see 50 Shades 2; Darker?

Jason Kelly: No. No.

Juli Bauer: Will you see those movies?

Jason Kelly: No.

Juli Bauer: Are you going to see Beauty and the Beast?

Jason Kelly: I don’t even know what that is?

Juli Bauer: You don’t?

Jason Kelly: What it’s about. I’ve heard about it. Are they a gay couple?

Juli Bauer: I grew up; what? Wait, Beauty and the Beast? Is it about a gay couple, is that what you just said?

Jason Kelly: Yeah.

Juli Bauer: {laughs}

Jason Kelly: Isn’t there a gay couple in there?

Juli Bauer: No! No.

Jason Kelly: It sounds like my children describing me. {laughs}

Juli Bauer: What? Is it about a gay couple? Beauty and the Beast was a Disney classic movie.

Jason Kelly: Oh, ok.

Juli Bauer: And it’s about a guy who is a beast. We won’t get into it. You’re bored, your texting. It’s fine. It’s totally fine. But. I’m really sweating. Ok, we should round this up. You should see Beauty and the Beast. We’re seeing it tonight.

Jason Kelly: Oh, you are?

Juli Bauer: Yeah, do you want to come?

Jason Kelly: Date night.

Juli Bauer: Yeah, double date night. Do you want to join?

Jason Kelly: To make it a triple?

Juli Bauer: Yeah, could.

Jason Kelly: No thanks.

Juli Bauer: Ok. {laughs} So thanks so much for being on. Do you have any questions for today? Before we wrap it up? Because I’m going to piss myself.

Jason Kelly: No. What is your favorite swimming stroke?

Juli Bauer: My favorite swimming stroke?

Jason Kelly: Yeah.

Juli Bauer: Freestyle.

Jason Kelly: Freestyle.

Juli Bauer: What’s that mean?

Jason Kelly: {laughs}

Juli Bauer: Is this a joke?

Jason Kelly: {laughs}

Juli Bauer: Are you trying to pull a joke off, and you suck at it? Freestyle. Are you trying to say breast stroke? Was this supposed to be a dirty joke?

Jason Kelly: No, no it wasn’t.

Juli Bauer: Freestyle.

Jason Kelly: Yeah. Ok. I was just curious.

Juli Bauer: I have to pee. I don’t have time for this. What is this?

Jason Kelly: {laughs}

Juli Bauer: I was hoping for more fun questions.

Jason Kelly: Oh, ok.

Juli Bauer: Do you believe; since I met my husband here at the gym, do you believe in mixed relationships between coach and; because I obviously dabbled in a couple of other people around the gym.

Jason Kelly: {laughing}

Juli Bauer: {laughs} Before I met my lovely husband.

Jason Kelly: Oh yeah.

Juli Bauer: Do you believe in those relationships? Or inter-gym relationships?

Jason Kelly: If you are mature enough to handle it, then I don’t see an issue with it.

Juli Bauer: I crushed it, right?

Jason Kelly: You eventually crushed it.

Juli Bauer: Eventually! {laughs}

Jason Kelly: it took some time.

Juli Bauer: it was a bumpy road. A bumpy road of maturity.

Jason Kelly: Why did you leave Tom?

Juli Bauer: Oh my god! {laughing} I dated a guy here at the gym. He was a great guy.

Jason Kelly: Still is.

Juli Bauer: He still is. Engaged, getting married soon. But I left him because I just loved Brian so much!

Jason Kelly: {laughing} I think if you can handle it; like if you don’t make a big deal out of it, then that’s fine.

Juli Bauer: Ok.

Jason Kelly: Yeah.

Juli Bauer: Because it can be pretty sh*tty. I’ve seen some sh*tty ones when gym owners break up.

Jason Kelly: Oh yeah.

Juli Bauer: That sucks.

Jason Kelly: Ok.

Juli Bauer: Just saying.

Jason Kelly: Thanks for that.

Juli Bauer: No problem.

Jason Kelly: {laughs}

Juli Bauer: Well thanks for being on today, Jase.

Jason Kelly: Not a problem Juli, thank you.

Juli Bauer: I hope people love this episode.

Jason Kelly: This may be the least listened to podcast.

Juli Bauer: {laughing}

Jason Kelly: In the history of podcasts. I may have to find out how to listen to these and just put it on repeat.

Juli Bauer: I can’t wait to see what you think.

Jason Kelly: Just to get the numbers up.

Juli Bauer: We’ll see. I don’t know how to track any sort of numbers. I don’t know any of that. But thanks for being on today. Thanks for making it entertaining.

Jason Kelly: No problem. I hope I did.

Juli Bauer: Thanks for putting me on the spot a couple of times, you’re the best.

Jason Kelly: Thank you.

Juli Bauer: I’ll try to talk less about myself on my podcast. {laughs}

Jason Kelly: {laughing}

Juli Bauer: Have a great day.

Jason Kelly: You too Jules.

Juli Bauer: Come back another time guys, I’ll see you soon. Bye!